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Problem with deposition velocity
Posted: March 14th, 2016, 1:22 pm
by adriano
Hello,
I would like to compare two dispersion simulations. These simulations differs only for particle deposition velocity. The first one has dv =0.0 m/s; the second one d.v. = 0.01 m/s.
Then I'd like to study the resulting particle concentrations over a point of interest (by using the convert to station function) to see the differences between a simulation without deposition and a simulation with a given deposition velocity.
My expectation was to see higher concentration for the no deposition simulation, but the results show the opposite.
Could you help me?
Re: Problem with deposition velocity
Posted: March 15th, 2016, 10:10 am
by ariel.stein
Can you please share with us the CONTROL files you are using for your runs?
Re: Problem with deposition velocity
Posted: March 16th, 2016, 8:28 am
by adriano
This control file satisfies my expectations:
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Re: Problem with deposition velocity
Posted: March 16th, 2016, 8:31 am
by adriano
This control file doesn't satistfy my expectation:
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Re: Problem with deposition velocity
Posted: March 16th, 2016, 8:43 am
by adriano
Each simulation differs only by the deposition velocity:
run A (d.v. =0.0 m/s) vs run B (d.v.:0.01 m/s).
Input for the convert to station function are:
Lat 41.704 Long 12.357
height index = 2
concentration multiplier =1
Re: Problem with deposition velocity
Posted: March 16th, 2016, 9:01 am
by adriano
I have another question to ask.
How can I set continuous emissions from the sources?
I looked the guide but I did not understand how to do it.
Re: Problem with deposition velocity
Posted: March 16th, 2016, 9:44 am
by ariel.stein
Can you please point into the diffence? I cannot see it? They both have their dry deposition velocity set as an aerosol.
1
1.0 1.0 1.0
0.01 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
0.0 0.0 0.0
0.0
0.0
1
1.0 1.0 1.0
0.01 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
0.0 0.0 0.0
0.0
0.0
Re: Problem with deposition velocity
Posted: March 16th, 2016, 9:47 am
by ariel.stein
Also, your run is currently set for a continuous release over the 14 hours that your are running:
TEST
4792580817
14 -------> hours of emission
15 06 29 07
Re: Problem with deposition velocity
Posted: March 16th, 2016, 10:35 am
by adriano
I'm working on PM1.
The CONTROL files I posted are both referred to the "Run B" for two different days. I did not reported the "Run A" control files because they differ only for the deposition velocity.
So I applied this scheme to day 14 08 25
Run B (deposition velocity set to 0.01 m/s)
1
1.0 1.0 1.0
0.01 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
0.0 0.0 0.0
0.0
0.0
Then I modified only d.v. from 0.01 to 0.0 and I got Run A.
Run A (deposition velocity set to 0.0 m/s)
1
1.0 1.0 1.0
0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
0.0 0.0 0.0
0.0
0.0
Finally I compare the results and my expectations are satisfied.
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But when I applied the same scheme to day 15 06 29 concentrations observed at the desired point were higher for Run B than for Run A.
It seems uncorrect to me since I expected lower concentration when deposition velocity is set to 0.
Re: Problem with deposition velocity
Posted: March 16th, 2016, 2:35 pm
by ariel.stein
Please see below for an explanation of how to set the particle gravitational settling velocity:
1
1.0 1.0 1.0 ----> these three entries
0.01 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
0.0 0.0 0.0
0.0
0.0
The three entries are used to define the pollutant as a
particle for gravitational settling and wet removal calculations. A
value of zero in any field will cause the pollutant to be treated
as a gas. All three fields must be defined for particle
deposition calculations. However, these values only need to be
correct only if gravitational settling or resistance deposition is
to be computed by the model. Otherwise a nominal value of 1.0 may
be assigned as the default for each entry to define the pollutant
as a particle. If a dry deposition velocity is specified as the
first entry in the next line, then that value is used as the
particle settling velocity rather than the value computed from the
particle diameter and density.
So, in your case when you set the dry deposition velocity to zero, the model will still use the gravitational settling calculation to estimate the deposition.